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Sid2	The RCC posing as a victim getting old:	#41	[-]
Posts: 22088 (08/20/07 08:30 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Maybe things would have worked out different if JPII had taken the Mouton Report back in the mid '80's. . . . *Quote:* In his first visit to the United States since his appointment, the Vaticans top diplomat said the Roman Catholic Church has responded to the U.S. clergy sexual abuse crisis with dignity and courage. Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican secretary of state, spoke at a news conference at the annual convention of the Knights of Columbus, the Catholic fraternal organization. Speaking through an interpreter, Bertone called the business created in the United States around the clergy abuse scandal unbearable, according to a Knights of Columbus transcrip-t. He added: I hope that other institutions and social agencies will face this same problem with their members, with an equal degree of courage and realism as the Catholic Church has done. He questioned whether other institutions have financially supported victims and taken care of the victims and those who are guilty. More . . . Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. --Andre Gide
Sid2	The RCC posing as a victim getting old:	#42	[-]
Posts: 22088 (08/21/07 02:43 PM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* The Vatican's top diplomat has accused the media of "shameful and mystifying" coverage of allegations of sexual abuse by Italian priests and suggested there might be a campaign against the Church. Vatican Secretary of State Tarcisio Bertone took aim at reporting of a probe by Turin prosecutors into clergy accused of paying a 24-year-old man to keep quiet about past abuse. A separate investigation involves accusations of abuse by one of Italy's best-known priests, 82-year-old Pietro Gelmini. In comments to Vatican radio published on Tuesday, Bertone said he respected the work of the prosecutors but criticised the media for paying so much attention to unproven accusations that he said warped the image of the Roman Catholic Church. More . . . Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. --Andre Gide
Sid2	The RCC posing as a victim getting old:	#43	[-]
Posts: 22088 (08/29/07 07:30 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Secretary of State at the Vatican was honored by the Knights of Columbus with its Gaudium and Spes Award at the Knights annual Convention in Nashville. Speaking at a news conference the Cardinal showed great insensitivity and lack of awareness of the clergy abuse crisis in this country stating that the Church has . . . . . .faced this trial with great dignity and courage and went on to say that he hoped that other institutions and social agencies will face this same problem with their members, with an equal degree of courage and realism as the Catholic Church has done; if they have taken care of the victims and those who are guilty. It is incredible that such a high ranking official at the Vatican would believe that the hierarchy in the U.S. has behaved with dignity and courage in a scandal that they have known about for over 50 years. Until the public outcry forced them to acknowledge the crisis five years ago, their constant modus operandi was to cover up the problem by paying hush money to survivors while transferring abusive priests from parish to parish so they could abuse again. More . . . Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. --Andre Gide
Sid2	The RCC posing as a victim getting old:	#44	[-]
Posts: 22088 (09/26/07 06:48 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* The most bizarre accusation to arise out of the opposition to legislative reform has been that it constitutes Catholic bashing. There is absolutely no evidence, credible or not, that anyone has either proposed or supported legislative changes because of an innate prejudice or emotional dislike of the Catholic Church. The Maryland Catholic Conference published the ridiculous statement that a series of victim-witnesses excoriated the Catholic Church in their testimony. Acknowledging the proven failures of the institutional dimension of the Catholic Church or any other Church is not bashing but truth-telling. There is ample evidence to support the clams that the Catholic Church has systematically covered up cases of clergy sexual abuse for years. To label this Catholic bashing is nothing more than a form of malicious denial. --Rev. THOMAS DOYLE Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. --Andre Gide
Sid2	The RCC posing as a victim getting old:	#45	[-]
Posts: 22088 (10/05/07 05:34 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Is he aware of the stone-walling and deception that the Philadelphia District Attorneys faced in conducting their investigation? He criticizes them because they voiced their anger and frustration but he apparently has no clue as to the lengths the bishops and their attorneys will go to in their efforts to thwart the investigations into the Church's history of cover-up. Nor does he seem to have a clue about the vast amounts of money these attorneys burn up in their seemingly endless battles to prevent Church cover-ups from being exposed and the victims from ever seeing any justice. The Church regularly claims it is extending a compassionate hand to victims. This is mostly public relations myth because the dioceses continue to fight and protest every inch of the way. They boast about the newly created policies, procedures, review boards, counseling provided, etc. None of this would have ever happened had not their been massive and intense pressure placed on the bishops by the media and by the courts and the civil lawyers who did for the victims what the Church officials failed to do, namely, take them seriously. More . . . Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. --Andre Gide
Sid2	The RCC posing as a victim getting old:	#46	[-]
Posts: 22088 (11/11/07 12:52 PM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Despite all the supposed reforms, and despite the new guidelines and rules that were supposed to have taken care of the problems several years ago, the reality is that many members of the church hierarchy have been slow to change their attitude. Listen to the words of Thomas J. Paprocki, one of George's [Cardinal Francis] auxiliary bishops in Chicago. Paprocki, who has a law degree and church license in canon law, gave a sermon Oct. 15 for the Red Mass, a gathering of lawyers and jurists, in Grand Rapids, Mich. The bishop scorned the church's escalating financial losses to victims of predatory priests. The church is under attack, Paprocki declared, comparing the civil litigation to Henry VIII's seizure of church property and kill[ing] those who did not accept his notion of the supremacy of the crown. More . . . Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. --Andre Gide
Sid2	The RCC posing as a victim getting old:	#47	[-]
Posts: 22088 (11/30/07 10:07 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Opensecrets.org reports that law firms financially support Democrats three times more than Republicans. Lawyers contributed 137 million (more than a tenth of a billion) to the Democrats during the 2004 election cycle. The Republicans received one third of that amount. For the 2008 election year lawyers have already contributed over 58 million to the Democrats. Is anyone asking where they are getting this money? Does any of it come from settlements with the Catholic Church? Is that one of the reasons that the Church was such a target? Was it in the hopes of silencing her voice, as demanded by some, and then using the money to finance her political enemies? If this was a part of these efforts, Catholics should be deeply concerned. More . . . Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. --Andre Gide
Sid2	The RCC posing as a victim getting old:	#48	[-]
Posts: 22088 (12/13/07 12:46 PM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Denial, after all, is the modus operandi of the Catholic Church. It's the tactic they used - are still using - to deflect responsibility for the scandals. It's the tactic they employed when dealing with the pedophile priests. It's the tactic they used with the Vatican banking scandal. It's the tactic they used when Galileo agreed with Copernicus that the sun did not in fact travel around the earth. *If we don't acknowledge it, it isn't true.* It is how they've resisted change for centuries. O'Malley is living proof of how it works. It will be another hundred years before any Boston Archbishop finally admits that the Diocese isn't as strong as it used to be, and that will be 20 years after the Diocese has ceased to exist altogether. More . . . Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. --Andre Gide
Sid2	The RCC posing as a victim getting old:	#49	[-]
Posts: 22088 (01/08/08 12:23 PM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	*Quote:* Some still complain that the entire crisis...was manufactured by the media and motivated by anti-Catholicism...but without the deeper crisis of the infidelity and negligence of bishops, the media could not have produced the public and, consequently, episcopal sense of crisis. The scandal was in the chanceries, parishes, and seminaries before it was on the front page or television news. --Fr. Richard John Neuhaus Believe those who seek the truth. Doubt those who find it. --Andre Gide
Sid2	The pewbies could shift the balance of power . . .	#50	[-]
Posts: 16559 (02/12/08 08:33 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	HRHargrove wrote: What on earth are you people complaining about? You signed up for it: PRAY, PAY, OBEY. So quitcherbellyaching. And pay up. Then, again, if you send the collection basket back to the sacristy empty for a couple of Sundays the balance of power shifts dramatically. Scary thought, isn't it? 2/11/2008 3:56:02 PM I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
Sid2		#51	[-]
Posts: 17389 (03/19/08 03:50 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	[Catholic sex abuse survivor Bill] Crane says the problem here is simple; he charges that the church simply does not want to end the problem of priest and pedophile sex abuse that by all accounts, has been rampant in its own halls for decades locally. He also says they are not sticking to their obligation of a court order to release earlier records to the public. "They burned us pretty bad. Here is an organization just out of bankruptcy, spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to not let these records get released." "They continue to lie and deceive and they are good at it." He says much of the last several months have involved statements made by that indicate the "court problems" have cost them, "to have to close down soup kitchens and reduce public facilities." Crane says the poor me routine being acted out by the church is a disgrace. "They pitted parishioners against victims, saying we were taking away their money, they were having to close soup kitchens." He says the Portland Archdiocese and specifically Archbishop of the Portland Diocese, John George Vlazny, "is acting like a corporate CEO, not a man of the clergy." More . . . I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
Sid2	THE PLAN TO DESTROY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH	#52	[-]
Posts: 19048 (02/12/09 08:04 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Holy Roman Catholic Church is under attack. There is a plan centuries old to destroy her by infiltration using zionist, communist and masonic agents. Our Lady has returned to warn humanity to convert in these end times. I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
Sid2	The One True Faith : What Happened to the Catholic Church?	#53	[-]
Posts: 19105 (02/16/09 08:50 PM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
Sid2	Catholics now claim they are being victimized by Atheists	#54	[-]
Posts: 21816 (11/04/09 08:06 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Mind you, the appeals of atheism as a diverting pastime are not immediately obvious to those of us who are on relatively easy terms with God. Why would anyone get so excited about the misconceptions of third parties as to the existence of a fourth party in which they themselves do not believe? The answer is twofold. First, the great advantage of designer atheism is that you get to think of yourself as immensely clever. After all, you are at least much brighter than all those dumb-asses who believe in a supreme being, such as Sister Perpetua down the road, Thomas Aquinas, Isaac Newton and Dietrich Bonhoeffer. So satisfying. The second factor has to do with wit. For some reason, contemporary Australian atheism seems to consider itself terribly funny. Its proponents only have to wheel out one of the age-old religious libels to lose control of their bladders. To outsiders, of course, it is a bit like watching a giggling incontinent drunk at a party. This is not to say that believers - and perhaps especially Catholics - do not get seriously irritated by atheists. They do, but not because atheists are fearfully clever or Wildely funny. More . . . I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.

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