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05/17/17 07:07 AM
I offered several explanations, which you never even challenged. I
exposed the truth about what the gospel of Christ is. If you don't
choose to either believe it or discuss it, that's as far as we can go.
If you sign-in on my site and post there, I would be pleased to discuss these comments and any others you may have. I post as "God's Trombone."
I've been doing chores for a wife with a fractured foot from a fall,
and now we are preparing for supper, so I will have to be brief until
later this week (Mother's Day tomorrow.)It is @60 years since I have
read Aquinas and I find him a proponent of at least some of Rome's false
gospel. Paul's apostleship was separate from the 12 that's why Christ
didn't have him among them in the first place, but rather taught him
alone in visions and in Arabia probably for 3 years. No other apostle
had the revelation Paul had. Luther apprehended but little of Paul's
messages compared to what we have seen restored and recovered in our
time. The Catholic Catechism of course is not Pauline in doctrine except
where convenient to support Rome's errors. Much is made of the
four gospels (MMLJ) in the RCC and those are Jewish in substance. The
Body of Christ, per Paul, is built upon the foundation of Christ which
Paul preached, not on Peter. Peter didn't understand much of Paul's
"wisdom." (II Peter 3:15,16) Paul's epistle address several abberations
in the churches he established, especially Galatians which deals with
the tendency of Church members to drift toward trusting in works of
religion rather than full trust in what Christ has done for us with His
death, burial and resurrection.
I trust you are genuinely interested so I will continue to attempt to
convey my exposition; though it can be quite complex to someone
unfamiliar with it because of their background of acquired contrary
information.My choice would be for you to visit my site called
"Paul, Our Apostle" where this subject is covered in depth, including
links to an almost infinite amount of research material. That site is
would find evidence that many, many others-- from Paul's lifetime
forward have received and been eternally blessed by his gospel of the
Grace of God.I confess that I am quite at a loss for other
approaches how to present to you and others here just why the
distinctive gospel Paul preached is contrary to the theology of
salvation contained in both Catholicism and Protestantism.But one
area I have not touched on directly in my posts is Paul's revelation of
grace juxtaposed with Moses' revelation of the Law (Rom. 11:6).Christendom
is largely based upon the earthly ministry of Jesus under the Law,
which He announced was first and foremost to the nation of Israel.
(Romans 15:.Many religious Christians are confused and fail to
recognize that with Israel's rejection of Christ and His many offers of
the earthly kingdom (see Acts 1-7),the glorified Christ temporarily set
aside that program and sent Paul to the world with the offer of grace to
anyone that believed the gospel now set forth in I Cor. 15:1-4 etc. I
welcome your questions if you remain interested in the Word "rightly
I didn't make it up on my own--- the Word of Truth is in the epistles of apostle Paul. That what is in his epistles has been twisted, ignored, and misunderstood can't change the Truth.
I didn't write what you think I wrote. There is nothing "esoteric" or "hidden" or a "mystery" concerning salvation now because Christ revealed salvation [by Faith of Christ] to Paul. Christendom adds baggage that opposes Paul's message.
Good morning! I have tried to show you that both Protestantism and
Catholicism oppose the Word of Truth found in the epistles of apostle
Paul . There is no denomination or religion that I can point to in
answer to your question. I leave you with this final portion of the
inerrant Word:"In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel."-Paul, Apostle of the Gentiles (Romans 2:16)
Please let me sleep on this and take it up again tomorrow.In the
meantime, you might "google" Pauline, dispensational, Grace Bible,
Mid-Acts etc. But most importantly--- Paul's epistles.
I agree. Many have "studied the scriptures at length" but unless
we are aided by the Author, the Holy Spirit, we cannot get anything
Evidently I have been typing some edits to my last post while you
posted again. Please check my "latest." BTW: I play the trombone also.That thing is a beast isn't it!?
That certain "denominations" of Muslims murder other Muslims doesn't in the least convince me Muslims are "peace loving."Let Muslims stay where they are and leave them alone is my way.
"ally with the good Muslims to kill off the bad ones."In your dreams -------maybe!
" It is possible to reject the leftist jihadist appeasers, without embracing the equally loony view that every single Muslim on earth is iredeemably murderous."It is also "looney" to imagine anyone can know which Muslim is never going to be "murderous!"
We better start now!
I take this opportunity to state that if we like-minded fail to take
drastic action NOW, the fate of our nation, our children and
grandchildren will be Islamic tyranny in almost no time at all. Open your eyes people!
As someone already posted:"There is no clean side to a turd!"
As regards "religious" Muslims, I love it!!! LOL
He's worse than just a "muslim." He made use of the fraction of blackheritage
he has and hundreds of lies to poison the Presidency of a great nation,
and, to do probable irreparable harm to the nation's future.Come and get me Feds; at 85 I couldn't care less.
There are many more like him still around is my guess.
1. The truth exists objectively whether apprehended by a human brain or not.2. Knowing the Truth of the Word of God is spiritual, and without the faith of Christ man cannot apprehend things of the spirit.
Well Sir, I gave it in outline form in my post. I won't try to expose
the whole of the approach to the Bible I [and other Grace believers]
take since it would be quite lengthy; however, I can make a suggestion
to pray for Holy Spirit guidance and study the scriptures as we are
charged by apostle Paul in II Tim. 2:15. When our apostle says to
"rightly divide the Word of Truth", included in that is to separate in
scripture:1.Israel from the church, the Body of Christ2.Prophetic scripture* from Mystery scripture**3. The gospel, (previously hidden in God) Paul received from Christ from the gospel of the kingdom Jesus taught while a "minister of the circumcision" (Rom. 15:.
*OT prophets, MMLJ, Early Acts, epistles of John, Peter, James, Jude and Revelation (These concern Israel and its future)**Epistles of apostle Paul (These concern us in the Body of Christ and are called "mystery" because formerly hidden).I hope this is of some help. It soon becomes evident why Paul specified "study" rather than simply "read" the Word.
It's not truly difficult to understand the religionist's desire to
murder those opposed to the "orthodoxy" when one learns that the
"orthodoxy" was a false gospel from practically the days the apostles
still lived.(See Matt. 7:15, Acts 20:29, 2 Tim. 1:15, and Rom. 16:17-20)The gospel of Christ is of course in the Bible, but few indeed preach it.
"The result is that a false gospel is being preached in many Catholic and Protestant churches, if it can even be called a gospel since there is only one."Aaaaaaaameeeeeeennnnnn! And amen.Caveat:
Between Acts 9 [when Christ commissioned Saul of Tarsus] and Acts 15
[the Council of Jerusalem] there were two valid gospels, i.e.,1. The gospel of the kingdom of Heaven (preached by JTB, Jesus on earth, and the 12)2. The "gospel of Christ" or "the Cross", or the "gospel of grace" hidden from the beginning of the world. (Rom. 16:25,26)
two of you (Reformed Trombonist and Steven) have already taken the thread off-topic so I will enter my .02 cents:Both
Protestantism and Catholicism are aberrations because neither can be
harmonized with what the scriptures say. One key place I will mention is
Acts 15 and what is called the Council of Jerusalem. It is also covered
in Galatians 2.In these neglected passages we read that Peter,
James and John made the apostolic decision, by the Holy Spirit; that
they would relinquish their previous commission to preach the kingdom of
Heaven gospel first to Israel and then to all the Gentile nations. They
decided that indeed, Israel was no longer being offered the "Kingdom"
but that Christ had chosen Paul as The Apostle of the Gentiles, and that
he would take over the commission to go to the nations with his brand
new "gospel of the grace of God". (I Cor. 15:1-4)They would merely shepherd the little flock known as the "Circumcision."This
"right division of the Word of Truth" has been lost upon Christendom
for centuries and is epitomized by such anomalies as the making of Popes
as "successors of Peter". Peter didn't even understand Paul's gospel.
When Christ announced to the 12 apostles that He was going to die on a
cross and then rise again, they were gobsmacked and didn't understand
even though they had been preaching the "gospel of the kingdom" with
Jesus for 3 years.Go figure!
As regarding Aquinas, and other so-called "church Fathers, and
theologians": They were seldom fundamental Bible believers, and often
were following un-biblical traditions similar to "Christendom" today.
Historically, it started @ 1st century with the "turning away from" St.
Paul. (2 Tim. 1:15)
"We need to remember that for the ancient Greeks and Romans abortion was not a right for the woman but for her husband."My bold.Why should anyone expect fallen mankind to always respect and protect life?
Sanddollerman: The verses in Numbers do not refer to killing an unborn child.What is your game?If you sought to deceive with the first quote, there is no use in looking up the others!Get a life!
The main contention of the piece is correct; however, I am stunned by
the foolishness of overlooking the commandment "Thou shalt not kill!"
in favor of diddling about "pharmakeia."Also: the idea Protestantism
didn't oppose abortion "because opposition to it was seen as a Catholic
issue, and Catholics were considered a malign influence " is plain
ignorance. I personally was involved in "Operation Rescue" in the 80s as
a Bible believing Christian [non-Catholic] as were hundreds of others
from non-Catholic churches. I recall that as a former Catholic I was
disappointed in the weak, or non-existent involvement of Catholics in
the pro-life cause at the time many of us were being hauled off to jail
for our active resistance to abortion. I hasten to add the caveat that I
no longer believe in the physical resistance [laying in abortion clinic
doorways] to abortion, but instead preach the gospel of grace whenever
If the intent of this item is to enrage readers, it has succeeded in my case!There is no room for Islamism in a peaceful America!
I just thank my Lord that this is not my permanent home here; and at my age, I'll be leaving very soon.
Mason, you apparently miss the words you quote:Hebrews says faith is evidence."Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
My first impression is to note that in the movie the wife's
conversion is based on her emotional response to the incident where her
daughter's life is saved by the seemingmiraculous appearance of a
nurse [Alfie] who knows how to treat a choking victim in a restaurant.
This Alfie reminds me of the angelic characters in a certain TV series I
can't name at the moment; but featured a well-known Afro-American jazz
singer as an angel in human form. Anyone who is truly saved today must ,
in some manner, be exposed to the gospel as presented in I Corinthians
15:3,4, and believe it by the faith of Christ as preached by Christ's
chosen apostle for us, i.e., Paul. Miraculous "signs and wonders" belong
to another time and "another gospel." (See Acts 15, and the council of
Jerusalem.)Unfortunately, Christendom today has all but abandoned Paul, as did the first centuryfolk (see Paul's second epistle to Timothy chapter 1, verse 15, and the epistle to the Galatians.)
I hate to seem to quibble, but the gospel of Christ explains that
when I believe, I die, am buried, and rise with Christ in the mind [if
you will] of God."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live;
yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the
flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave
himself for me."- Galatians 2:20Paul further taught that the "resurrected believer" while now living physically on earth "is seated with Christ in heaven.""And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:"-Ephesians 2:6
Obviously, Jesus was an exception to the rule [if there was indeed such a rule.]
Take note that in the Bible, God declares that Jesus Christ "lights"
every man born(John 1:9). And also apostle Paul taught that just looking
around at creation is proof of God.
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