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Matthew 16:18 The False Rock of the Catholic Church

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MaricoG		#61	[-]
Posts: 1198 (06/19/09 08:14 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Okay....I feel better now....but don't know where you went, Mike and GT? Also, Sid...I used to believe that too...until I began to study differently...by dividing the dispensations and who is talking to whom. I believe that one day Peter will head the church on earth....and was meant to head the church should Israel have believed and not killed their Messiah. But...the program was interrupted and God showed us a mystery hid in God from the foundation of the world...and opened the door to the Gentiles...aside from Israel! One day, when the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled....the door will close and once again, God will deal directly with Israel again. Hope that helps. The RCC is confused thinking they are a "new" Israel...as if God would throw the true Israel, His people and all His promises away. NOT. The religion is a mass of confusion and fusion of the Jewish, Pagan and Christian. It makes no sense at all. "The purpose of my life is to worship God with all my heart, model the character of my Saviour Jesus Christ, be a minister of His grace, a messenger of His word, and a magnifier of His glory." Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Love, Mari
Gods Trombone		#62	[-]
Posts: 4501 (06/20/09 06:49 AM) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	MaricoG wrote: Okay....I feel better now....but don't know where you went, Mike and GT? Also, Sid...I used to believe that too...until I began to study differently...by dividing the dispensations and who is talking to whom. I believe that one day Peter will head the church on earth....and was meant to head the church should Israel have believed and not killed their Messiah. But...the program was interrupted and God showed us a mystery hid in God from the foundation of the world...and opened the door to the Gentiles...aside from Israel! One day, when the time of the Gentiles is fulfilled....the door will close and once again, God will deal directly with Israel again. Hope that helps. The RCC is confused thinking they are a "new" Israel...as if God would throw the true Israel, His people and all His promises away. NOT. The religion is a mass of confusion and fusion of the Jewish, Pagan and Christian. It makes no sense at all. mIKE had agreed to use the "Romans 2" thread to continue this discussion, but he has not returned as yet. I believe the same as you Mari on the question of Peter in Matt. 16. Folk need to see the dispensational difference to get the picture.
MaricoG		#63	[-]
Posts: 1203 (06/20/09 08:11 PM) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Okay...thanks GT...I found it. "The purpose of my life is to worship God with all my heart, model the character of my Saviour Jesus Christ, be a minister of His grace, a messenger of His word, and a magnifier of His glory." Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. Love, Mari
Sid2	The authority of the Bishop of Rome: How Catholics and Protestants differ	#64	[-]
Posts: 20601 (06/30/09 04:41 AM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What do Protestants say about the Pope? Protestants generally believe that Christ founded the church upon himself and upon Peter's confession of Jesus as the Messiah. The "rock" wasn't the man Peter himself, but rather Peter's statement, "You are the Messiah, the son of God." It was that confession of Jesus' being Messiah, not Peter the man, that will prevail against the gates of hell. Furthermore, the "keys to the kingdom", the power and authority to spread the gospel throughout the world and oversee the church, wasn't given to Peter especially, but the entire apostolic community. Jesus addressed Peter simply because Peter was functioning as the spokesman for the Twelve. More . . . I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.
Sid2		#65	[-]
Posts: 21151 (08/30/09 02:56 PM) Inner Guard Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The fact that Catholics are going to Matthew 16 to begin with is telling. The passage can more reasonably be interpreted in a non-papal manner. A papal interpretation requires reading multiple dubious assumptions into the text. See here. Do we have to resort to something like a Catholic interpretation of Matthew 16 in order to find justification for the office of bishop or the office of deacon in the teachings of Jesus and the apostles? Not only are the offices mentioned (Acts 20:17, Philippians 1:1), but we also see repeated references to their appointment (Acts 14:23, Ephesians 4:11, Titus 1:5), their qualifications (1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:5-9), their discipline (1 Timothy 5:19-20), their responsibilities (Ephesians 4:12-13, Titus 1:10-11, James 5:14, 1 Peter 5:1-3), their reward (1 Timothy 5:17-18, 1 Peter 5:4), their rank (1 Corinthians 12:28), the submission due them (1 Timothy 2:11-12), etc. If there was an office that was to have jurisdictional primacy and infallibility throughout church history, an office that could be called the foundation of the church, wouldn't we expect it to be mentioned explicitly and often? But it isn't mentioned at all, even when the early sources are discussing Peter or the Roman church. In the New Testament, which covers about the first sixty years of church history (the prophecies in Revelation and elsewhere cover much more), there isn't a single Roman bishop mentioned or named, nor are there any admonitions to submit to the papacy or any references to appointing Popes, determining whether he's exercising his infallibility, appealing to him to settle disputes, etc. When speaking about the post-apostolic future, the apostles are concerned with bishops and teachers in general (Acts 20:28-31, 2 Timothy 2:2) and submission to scripture (2 Timothy 3:15-17, 2 Peter 3:1-2, Revelation 22:18-19), but don't say a word about any papacy. The Catholic attempt to read a papacy into passages like Matthew 16 and John 21 has the appearance of revisionism. More . . . I would rather be honestly blunt than diplomatically untruthful.

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